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The angel of God


It’s no secret there are angels in the Bible. But there is also a special type of angel “Angel of God” or “Angel of the Lord”. That angel is called angel and a few verses later it’s called God. The angel also says/claims thing only God can do. For example the angel said that he would give Abraham and Sarah a child at very old age. In Exodus 33:20 we read that nobody sees the face of God and lives.



Exod 33:1 And the LORD said to Moses, Depart, and go up hence, you and the people which you have brought up out of the land of Egypt, to the land which I swore to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, To your seed will I give it:

Exod 33:2 And I will send an angel before you; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:

Exod 33:3 To a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the middle of you; for you are a stiff necked people: lest I consume you in the way.

Exod 33:7 And Moses took the tabernacle, and pitched it without the camp, afar off from the camp, and called it the Tabernacle of the congregation. And it came to pass, that every one which sought the LORD went out to the tabernacle of the congregation, which was without the camp.


Exod 33:9 And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses.

Exod 33:11 And the LORD spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his ser

vant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Exod 33:20 And he said, You can not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

John 6:46 Not that any man has seen the Father, save he which is of God, he has seen the Father.

1John 4:12 No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us.



So what is it?


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The representative

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father has not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.


Above we read Jesus didn’t act on His own behalf, but He did things exactly as theFather instructed Him to do. Angel simply means ‘messenger’; Jesus for sure was an angel because He brought God’s message to mankind. But messengers come in several levels of authority.

All OT prophets were messengers. They always spoke on behalf of God, never as God. Likewise did many angels from heaven. They always spoke in the following format: “God said….”, “God commanded….”, “ God will do….”

The angel of the Lord speaks differently: “I command….”, “I will do….”

Was that angel really God? Was that angel committing blasphemy by falsely claiming to be God? Something else?


The answer is “something else”. Something very simple that’s still in use today. A representative. When you have trouble with your PC you call Microsoft. “Good morning, this is Microsoft here. How can I assist you?” are the words on the helpdesk person. Is that person Bill Gates? Can a company even speak? No, the helpdesk person speaks on behalf of Microsoft. Strictly speaking that person says he/she actually is Microsoft; but we all know that person isn’t. A large percentage of Microsoft helpdesk employees don’t even work for Microsoft. Microsoft outsourced a large part of its support. But even the employee of that other company ‘claims’ to be Microsoft.

Another example is a lawyer speaking for his client. The ruling of the judge is largely based on what the lawyer says, because the lawyer speaks with full authority of his client. The client sometimes isn’t even present.

Power of attorney.

In the RCC such a person is called a legate.

In (ancient) Jewish understanding an person’s agent, is the person himself.



Judg 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.

Judg 13:22 And Manoah said to his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

The above two verses show that a representative is seen as an equal to the one who sent that representative.

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In the name of

“In the name of” is a Hebrew idiom meaning “on behalf of” or “for the sake of”. Please look up idiom #80 and 81 (38 is partly related)  in the Idioms section of this site. (See menu on the left).


John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.  


Exod 23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before you, to keep you in the way, and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.

Exod 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.


Come in someone's name means represent that person. God gave them the authority to represent Him and to act on His behalf. In the previous section that name would be Microsoft.


John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:36 Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?


The Jews wanted to stone Jesus because they assumed He claimed He was God Himself. Jesus explained them they were wrong because He didn’t claim to be God Himself. Verse 34 is the key of His explanation. Jesus refers to Psalm 82. This Psalm is about the judges of Israel. In verse 6 they are called gods and sons of God. Those judges were supposed to judge according to the law of God. They acted/judged on His behalf. They were supposed to judge as God would judge. As the Psalm show they did a lousy job but still they were called gods. But none of them were real gods. They were just flesh and blood mortal men.

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 Name in the angel

Exod 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.


In ancient times a name stood for authority. So the above verse states that the Angel has God’s authority. For a little more detail read Idiom #80 and 81 (38 is partly related)

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Manoah and the levels of authority

As Judges 13 shows, angels can look exactly like humans. When the angel appeared Manoah and his wife  assumed he was a man of God. (V 3, 6,  21).

The moment he figured out it was the “angel of the LORD” (v 21-22) Manoah got very scared and  was sure he and his wife would soon die because they had seen God Himself. (Ex 23:20).

But we do know it wasn’t God Himself. It was His representative. But the ancients regarded that representative to be the same as the one who sent that representative. Needless to say nobody died because they saw a representative. Not in this chapter, not in any other chapter.


There is an extra thing to learn from Judges 13; while Manoah did believe and respect the angel he didn’t fear him. He assumed he was a “man of God”, a prophet, a messenger. Manoah surely knew the man was sent by God because that man had knowledge no mortal can figure out on his own. (V3-5)


Only when he learned it was “the angel of the LORD” he got very scared. That shows messengers came in various levels of authority. And only the highest of them was considered God Himself.

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The new name of Jesus

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.  

→ Jesus comes in theFather’s name.


Phil 2:9 Why God also has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

→ Obviously God’s very own name is the highest name off all.


Rev 3:12 Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God: and I will write on him my new name.

→ Jesus will give the overcomers the name of God. Which is the new name of Jesus Himself.

→ If Jesus was ‘God in the flesh’  as Trinitarians claim then He would always had God’s name. But in Phil 2:9 and Rev 3:12 we read that wasn’t so.

→ On itself carrying God’s name isn’t a sign of divinity because all those human overcomers with God’s name aren’t God Himself.

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God in the flesh

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


When taken out of context that sounds like the perfect verse to support the Trinity. But when using the whole Bible as context it becomes clear it means that Jesus was, and still is, God’s representative.


Isa 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


The above verse is quite similar to the Matt 1:23 verse.

The most notable titles are “mighty God” and “everlasting Father”. At the same time He is the Son of God. Many want to see this as proof for Trinity but again ‘his name’  is very different from ‘he is’.


“In the name of” is a classic Hebrew idiom meaning “on behalf of” or “for the sake of”. Please look up idiom #80 in the Idioms section of this site. (See menu on the left.

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 Angel Jesus?


Mal. 3:1-3 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.


Messenger in the above verses is translated from the Hebrew word mal’ak which is often translated as angel. So, messengers come in two main types; human messengers and heavenly messengers.

John the Baptist was the ‘blue messenger’ and Jesus the ‘red messenger’.


Mat. 11:10-11 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.


Luke 7:24 He began to speak unto the people concerning John…

Luke 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.




Zech 3:3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the angel.

Zech 3:4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take the filthy garments from off him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with rich apparel.


The angel/messenger takes away sins and give a new/clean robe. As we see in the next verse that’s the job of Jesus Himself.


Rev 3:18 I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your nakedness do not appear; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.




Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said to the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up to you of your brothers, like to me; him shall you hear.

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spoke to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give to us:


The sermon was clearly about Jesus. Jesus was the angel that spoke to Moses. In Exodus that angel is called God. So, Moses spoke with Jesus.


Exod 19:3 And Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shall you say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;


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Angel Jesus the high priest

Lev 16:11 And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:

Lev 16:12 And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before the LORD, and his hands full of sweet incense beaten small, and bring it within the veil:


Aaron was the high priest and one of his jobs was to use the censer of incense. In Revelation an angel is doing the same thing. That angel must be Jesus He is our high priest (Heb 9:11).


Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints on the golden altar which was before the throne.

Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunder, and lightning, and an earthquake.



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Jesus the mighty angel

Rev. 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire.


Rev. 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.


Mat. 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.


Rev. 1:13-16 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.


The above set of verses requires a lot of ‘connecting the dots’. I tried to do that by color coding the most relevant words.

We know that Mat 17:2 is about Jesus, so the blue words link the pink words. And that shows us mighty angel=Jesus=Son of Man

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 Who was in the pillar of fire?

Exod 23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before you, to keep you in the way, and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.

Exod 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.


Exod 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:


Is the LORD just a messenger? No, the person in the cloud was an angel carrying the name of God (v23:20). In verse 13:21 that messenger actually is called God/Yahweh.

The above is the KJV translation but as the the Hebrew and many other translations show LORD should have been translated as Yahweh or Jehovah. I’m mentioning this in case someone assumed LORD was just used an honorary title because that angel was higher than the people of Israel. The verse just below should remove all such doubts.


Deut. 1:32-33 Yet in this thing ye did not believe the LORD your God, Who went in the way before you, to search you out a place to pitch your tents in, in fire by night, to shew you by what way ye should go, and in a cloud by day.

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Summary of the above sections.

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 Sodom and Gomorrah


Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Gen 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and you shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, No; but we will abide in the street all night.

12 And the men said to Lot, Have you here any besides? son in law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whatever you have in the city, bring them out of this place:

13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD has sent us to destroy it.

24 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;


Two angels visited Lot (v1) and Lot called them Lords (plural, v2)
The angels are called “the men” in v12. In the next verse (v13) the angels clearly state that they personally will destroy the city.

So we have 2 men/angels clearly stating they, plural, will destroy the city; but in verse 24 which is about the actual destruction is done by the LORD singular.


The above will instantly become more clear if we replace the KJV translation with a more literal translation.

Lords = Hebrew adon = lord, master

LORD = Hebrew Yahweh, Jehovah. = theFather Himself.


The two men/angels/lords did the actual destruction as they claimed in verse 13. That doesn’t contradict verse 24 which states God Himself destroyed the city, because as stated earlier in the Hebrew mind a representative is seen as the person who has sent him.

God was the initiator/planner of the destruction.

God instructed the angels.

God sent the angels.

God gave the angels the power and authority to destroy.

But the angels personally did the destroying.

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Jacob

Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said to her, I will multiply your seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.


Gen 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, What ails you, Hagar? fear not; for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is.

Gen 21:Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in your hand; for I will make him a great nation.

Things only God can do.




Gen 31:11 And the angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.  

Gen 31:13 I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar, and where you vowed a vow to me: now arise, get you out from this land, and return to the land of your kindred.

God is the supreme being that sets out messengers. He doesn’t work on behalf of anyone. God sending Himself as a messenger for Himself makes no sense at all. So the above 2 verses clearly speak of an angel speaking on behalf and as God.



Did Jacob wrestle with an angel or God?

Gen 32:27 And he said to him, What is your name? And he said, Jacob.

Gen 32:28 And he said, Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed.

Gen 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray you, your name. And he said, Why is it that you do ask after my name? And he blessed him there.

Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.


Hos 12:2 The LORD has also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him.

Hos 12:3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God:

Gen 25:26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob

Hos 12:4 Yes, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication to him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spoke with us;



In Genesis Jacob said he wrestled with God and saw God face to face. Hosea states it was an angel. The Bible contradicts or God’s representative is called God. Take your pick :-)


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Confusion

Exod 21:6 then his master shall bring him to God, and shall bring him to the door, or to the door-post, and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall serve him forever.


Exod 21:6 then his lord shall make an offering for him to the heavens, and it shall be applied to the door and the posts, and he will pierce his ear with an awl. And he shall be his servant in perpetuity.


Exod 21:6 Then his master is to take him to the gods of the house, and at the door, or at its framework, he is to make a hole in his ear with a sharp-pointed instrument; and he will be his servant for ever.


Exod 21:6 Then his master shall bring him to the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or to the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever.


Exod 21: 6 his master shall bring him to the judgment seat of God, and then shall he bring him to the door, to the doorpost, and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall serve him forever.



Five  different translations from the same Hebrew word ‘elohim’.

Apparently there was a lot of confusion among the translators but the solution is simple.

Just like the with the word sheep, only context determines if elohim is plural or singular. It’s also the context that determines it’s the supreme God or another god or gods.

A little cultural background is needed to understand the judges translation. When a slave served his time he could choose to stay a slave for the rest of his life. His master would then take him  to court before the judges. Human judges. The slave then would declare before court he wanted to stay with his master the rest of his life.

As we saw in Psalm 82 the judges represent God Himself because they judge according to His law. Because representatives are conserved to be the one who sent them the human judges are called gods.


The first translation is totally wrong. God should be gods

The second translation is beyond totally wrong.

The third translation is the most literal translation. Good.

The fourth translation is based on representation. Good.

The fifth translation tries to combine the two concepts but makes a big mistake by using the word  ‘God’. It should be plural and without a capital G because it’s not theFather judging. Besides that issue the translation has its merit.


Which one is right/the best? I think it’s a matter of taste.

I go for the third translation. It’s the most literal and culturally correct.

The fourth translator is a close second.


The above shows that without understanding the culture a good translation is impossible. Neither will the Bible be (fully) understood without understanding the culture it was written in.

Understanding idioms is a good and simple starting point. If you cherish your doctrine then avoid cultural studies at all cost….. :-)

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One or three?


Gen 18:1 And Jehovah appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre. And he was sitting at the door of the tent in the heat of the day.

Gen 18:2 And he lifted up his eyes and looked; and, behold, three men were standing by him. And he saw, and he ran to meet them from the entrance of the tent. And he bowed to the ground.

Gen 18:3 And he said, My Lord, if now I have found favor in Your sight, I beg You, do not leave from near Your servant.


How many did appear?

  1. One? If so why plural in verse 2
  2. Three? If so why singular in verse 1?
  3. Some sort of trinity manifestation? If so why address them as singular and plural?

Trinity isn’t possible because of Gen 33:20.

Trinity isn’t possible because the trinity doctrine claims the three are one entity that’s not split up. Abraham 3 three men. Not one.


Also note “Lord” is translated from the Hebrew word ‘adonay’; while one doesn’t exclude the other it must be noted that in  “angel of the LORD” verses ‘LORD’  is always translated from ‘Yahweh’.


Some scholars claim that the manuscripts are corrupted and adonay originally was Yahweh. Again Gen 33:20 is a problem.

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Cyrus, satan, Gabriel and Jesus


Dan 10:7 And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell on them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

Dan 10:8 Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.

Dan 10:9 Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.

Dan 10:10 And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me on my knees and on the palms of my hands.

Dan 10:11 And he said to me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright: for to you am I now sent.  And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood trembling.

Dan 10:12 Then said he to me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that you did set your heart to understand, and to chasten yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I am come for your words.

Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, see, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.


The person speaking to Daniel was very powerful because it took only one touch to force Daniel on hands and knees. (v9-10).  But in verse 13 we read that same person was not able to subdue king Cyrus in 21 days and got help from Michael. I think that raises the valid question “Are those verses really about the human king Cyrus?”.


Could the prince of Persia be a fallen angel or even satan himself?

In v12-13 we are told the angel came to bring Daniel a vision but was stopped from doing so for 21 days. That sounds much more as a battle in the spirit realm as in our earthly realm. Let’s investigate a little further.


If we read closely Michael is never called an angel in any verse. That doesn’t exclude the possibility he isn’t but but it doesn't prove it either.


Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you.

Jude 1:9 At one time Michael the chief angel had a quarrel with the devil about who should have the body of Moses. But he did not dare to judge the devil and say wrong things about him. He said, May the Lord tell you to stop!

Jude 1:9 Now when Michael, one of the chief angels, was fighting against the Evil One for the body of Moses, fearing to make use of violent words against him, he only said, May the Lord be your judge.


I think the above verses is the most direct verse in the entire Bible that states Michael is an angel. But is that verse really claiming that? The verse literally reads “ Michael archaggelos”.

Arch = chief, ruler, leader.
aggelos = angel, messenger, agent.


Simply put archaggelos means boss of the angels; but that doesn’t prove anything. I’ll explain with an example: “Freddy is the chief of the dogs.”
Freddy can be the alpha male dog that leads the pack.

Freddy can also be the name of the human owner of the dogs.

Same with Michael. He could an angel (Freddy the dog) but also something superior to a dog (Freddy the human).


To make it even worse, strictly speaking ‘angel’ can be about anyone or anything that brings a message. Just a few examples:



Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, see, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.


Prince = prince, ruler, leader, chief, chieftain, official, captain.

Chief =  first, primary, foremost, head.

The above makes it very clear Michael had/has a leadership position. Just like the word Archangel it doesn’t prove or disprove Michael was of ‘the same type’ as what he ruled over.


The word ‘one’ doesn’t take away that confusion because of it’s wide range of meanings. (One and first)


Dan 10:21 But I will show you that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holds with me in these things, but Michael your prince.


The Hebrew word for ‘your’ is plural so Michael isn’t only Daniel’s prince but of all Daniel’s people. That’s Israel, not any other nation. But as the following verse shows that’s taken away from Israel and given to another nation.


Matt 21:43 Therefore say I to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


That other nation is known as Christianity, spiritual Israel, etc.

Jesus is the leader of that nation. Strictly speaking that’s not proof Jesus is the same as Michael; but let’s say it’s a small hint they are one and the same.

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Gideon


Judg 6:11 And there came an angel of the LORD, and sat under an oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained to Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon threshed wheat by the wine press, to hide it from the Midianites.

Judg 6:12 And the angel of the LORD appeared to him, and said to him, The LORD is with you, you mighty man of valor.

Judg 6:13 And Gideon said to him, Oh my Lord, if the LORD be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where be all his miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt? but now the LORD has forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.

Judg 6:14 And the LORD looked on him, and said, Go in this your might, and you shall save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent you?

Judg 6:15 And he said to him, Oh my Lord, with which shall I save Israel?  behold, my family is poor in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's house.

Judg 6:16 And the LORD said to him, Surely I will be with you, and you shall smite the Midianites as one man.

Judg 6:17 And he said to him, If now I have found grace in your sight, then show me a sign that you talk with me.

Judg 6:18 Depart not hence, I pray you, until I come to you, and bring forth my present, and set it before you. And he said, I will tarry until you come again.

Judg 6:19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a kid, and unleavened cakes of an ephah of flour: the flesh he put in a basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and brought it out to him under the oak, and presented it.

Judg 6:20 And the angel of God said to him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them on this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so.

Judg 6:21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of his sight.

Judg 6:22 And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O LORD God! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD face to face.



In Judges 6:11-22 “angel of Yahweh/the LORD” and “LORD/Yahweh” are used interchangeable several times.  Verses 11, 12, 21 and 22 have “angel of Yahweh”. Verses 14 and 16 have “Yahweh”. In verse 17 Gideon ask for proof it’s really the angel of Yahweh. Verse 20 has “angel of elohim”. I don’t know the reason for that.

The verses show that the appearance of the angels had nothing special that made it clear to Gideon the angels weren’t just mortal men; that’s why he asked for verification.

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More verses


Exod 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the middle of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Exod 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the middle of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

Verse 2 states it was an angel, but verse 4 clearly states it was God Himself. Again an example showing the representative speaking not only on behalf of God, but also as God Himself. That means the words of the angel in the bush carry as much weight as the words of theFather Himself.



Judg 2:1 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you to the land which I swore to your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

A simple messenger didn’t make that covenant. It wasn’t a simple messenger that guided Israel out of Egypt.



Judg 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.

Judg 13:22 And Manoah said to his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

→ This verse shows a representative is seen as an equal to the one who sent that representative.




Dan 3:25 He answered and said, See, I see four men loose, walking in the middle of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

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Dan 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spoke, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who has sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.

God sent and angel named “Son of God”. Is this a general term (gen 6:2) is is it Jesus?




Zech 3:1 Then He is showing me Joshua, the great priest, standing before the messenger of Yahweh, and Satan, standing at his right, for his adversary."

Zech 3:2 And Yahweh is saying to Satan, Yahweh is rebuking you, Satan. And Yahweh Who is choosing Jerusalem is rebuking you. Is not this wooden poker being rescued from the fire?

→ The “messenger of Yahweh” (v1) is called “Yahweh” (v2)

→ Yahweh rebukes on behalf of Yahweh. That sounds odd, because the terms are use interchangeable we can read this as: The angel of Yahweh rebukes on behalf of Yahweh.

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God sends God?


Zech 2:8 For thus says Yahweh of hosts:After the glory He sends me to the nations, your looters; for he who is touching you is touching the apple of My eye."

Zech 2:9 For behold Me waving My hand over them, and they will become loot for their servants. Then you shall know that Yahweh of hosts sent me."

Zech 2:10 Be jubilant and rejoice, daughter of Zion! For behold Me coming! And I tabernacle in your midst, (averring is Yahweh)."

Zech 2:11 And many nations shall be obligated to Yahweh in that day, and they become His people. When I tabernacle in your midst, then shall you know that Yahweh of hosts sent me to you."

Verse 8 clearly states that Yahweh makes a statement; but in v9 and v11 we read that the person speaking was sent by Yahweh. Many translators try to hide that weird ‘contradiction’ by translating Yahweh as LORD. Check out Strong and you will see the Hebrew word is Yahweh of Jehovah. But once agai the ‘contradiction’ is no contradiction at all if we understand that the person speaking speaks as if he is Yahweh/Father-God Himself.



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Is Michael Jesus?


John 14:7 If you had known me, you should have known my Father also: and from now on you know him, and have seen him.

John 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?

Michael means “who is like God?”*. The above two verses don’t prove Jesus is Michael but certainly don’t refute the thought  and likely at least hint toward it, because the blue part indicates Jesus is “like God”.

*=Michael is 3 Hebrew words merged into one word. The name begins with an interrogative pronoun meaning it’s a question not a statement.


Jude 1:9 But Michael, the archangel, when contending with the devil and arguing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him an abusive condemnation, but said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”

That verse simply states Michael is an archangel.


1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God’s trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first.

How should be understand that verse?


For me the above 3 possibilities are ordered in ascending order of likeliness, because the third option is the most straightforward reading and raising the dead seems the ultimate task for Jesus. As a Shepherd calling His sheep.



Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night-visions, and, behold, there came with the clouds of the sky one like a son of man, and he came even to the ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Daniel 7:14 There was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations, and languages should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.


Daniel 12:1 “At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who stands for the children of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who shall be found written in the book.

The above 4 verses seem to hint or indirectly state Michael is Jesus.

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Conclusion

Some of the above verses are more straightforward than other verses. Some things can’t be really captured in  a few verses. They are more like  a ‘feeling’ you have, when the Bible is seen in the bigger picture.

Jesus has an extremely important place in God’s plan of salvation.

Yet He seems only to be (actively) involved during His rather short ministry. That’s a tiny percentage of the time the whole Bible spans.


Was the greatest messenger of all time only active during His ministry?


If we drop all the linguistic fights we all know Jesus was/is a messenger. His whole ministry was dedicated to spread the message/Gospel of God.

Considering that, isn’t it weird Jesus seems to have such a small place in the Bible?


When we ignore all the angel and messenger things mentioned on this page we must conclude:

- Jesus is nowhere found in the OT besides prophesies about to Him.

- Jesus is only active in the NT for a short while.

- In Revelation the book that’s about the ultimate, complete and permanent victory over evil, angels seem to be the lead actors and Jesus is just the supporting cast.


If we widen our a view a bit and link Jesus to the angel, He suddenly is the lead actor that is in every scene of importance; right on top of things. He is the one that actively takes control of human history.

To me it’s far more logical Jesus actively represented theFather throughout the whole history of mankind. Not just during His ministry.


But… I admit that’s just a feeling because nowhere in Scripture it states there is just one “Angel of Yahweh”